ანუ რა ხდება ეუროპაში ?

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"Our partners have to open their eyes"

 France was ousted in the AUKUS treaty - this is how Paris sees it and demands: The EU should not rely too heavily on the assistance of the USA.  A warning that is aimed primarily at Germany.

The French diplomats have not stopped this week with turned hints: "Treason", "breach of trust", "stab in the back" - their choice of words made it clear: The rude actions of the USA against France in the dispute over the canceled submarine deal with Australia  is like an earthquake.  An earthquake that will cause permanent tremors throughout Europe - at least that is the hope of the French government.

"Our partners in Europe have to open their eyes," demanded Minister of Economic Affairs Bruno Le Maire.  “To think that the US will protect us, whatever happens, is a mistake!” This appeal is directed first and foremost to the Germans.  Because not everything in the EU works with Germany, but nothing works without Germany.  Especially when it comes to such profound changes as the establishment of a real European Defense Union.

France sees itself as an EU defender

Employer President Geoffroy Roux de Bézieux, who is actually concerned about the economic consequences of the diplomatic crisis, also sees Germany under political pressure.  "It is up to Europe - and in truth Germany and France - to decide what they want to do for the security of the EU. And the defense of the European Union - that is France today," he said.  "We are fighting in the Sahel zone, we are the strongest army. That should give Germany a lot of thought." But the reactions in Berlin to the transatlantic affront against France were rather mild, according to the perception in Paris.  Is Germany still not ready to recognize that times have changed and that the EU must become more independent from the USA? Johann Wadephul, defense politician of the CDU, admits in an interview with the ARD studio in Paris: "Germany has the French proposal  To think about a European sovereignty or autonomy, neglected too much. We have to take that offensive. "  The future federal government must give this priority.

"Checking where commitment is needed"

But what does that mean in concrete terms?  Since the USA is now aligning all its forces and alliances with the conflict with China, difficult fields of action arise for all of Europe, says Johann Wadephul: Who cares about the Middle East, who cares about Africa, the Sahel zone?  We have to be!  At the moment, Germany is not ready to support the French engagement there in combat operations - but one has to "check with an open mind whether this is not necessary in the future," he says.  "Those are uncomfortable questions, but I think we have to ask ourselves."

France from January EU Council President So as hard as the blow was for France this week, the experience could be just as valuable for Macron's intentions in the EU.  He will use his EU Council Presidency from January to advance his goal of greater European autonomy. As if to show that he is serious, his staff at the Elysée took stock of his Sorbonne speech of 2017 on the future of Europe on Friday afternoon  to let go.  Conclusion: His advance from that time made a difference, but there is still a lot to be done.

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ევროკავშირის რამდენიმე წამყვან ფიგურას სურს, რომ 20 000 -მდე ჯარისკაციანმა ერთეულმა  შეძლონ დაუყოვნებლივ განლაგება  მთელს მსოფლიოში

ეს როგორ გავიგოთ?  20 000  რა ჩემი ფეხებია ( ბოდიშით )

ალბათ დასაწყისისთვის?

ფრედერიქსენმა თქვა, რომ ის "წავა მათ წინააღმდეგ, ვინც ცდილობს შეარყოს ტრანსატლანტიკური თანამშრომლობა

სტოლტენბერგი:  ”მე მივესალმები უფრო მეტ ძალისხმევას ევროპაში თავდაცვის სფეროში, მაგრამ ეს ვერასოდეს შეცვლის ნატოს და ჩვენ უნდა დავრწმუნდეთ, რომ ევროპა და ჩრდილოეთ ამერიკა გაერთიანდებიან

 

"ნებისმიერი მცდელობა შეასუსტოს კავშირი ჩრდილოეთ ამერიკასა და ევროპას შორის, არა მხოლოდ დაასუსტებს ნატოს, არამედ გაყოფს ევროპას

 

პატივცემულო ფორუმელებო როგორც ძალიან კომპეტენტურებო ,   გარდაუვალია ევროარმია?

 

სურათზე:  გეგმების წინ.  ევროკავშირის არმიის შესახებ. მოწინაღმდეგე მეტე ფრედერიქსენი  და მაკრონი

 

Edited 26 სექტემბერი, 2021 by KOMBLE

[Seth]

55 minutes წინ, KOMBLE said:

ფრედერიქსენმა თქვა, რომ ის "წავა მათ წინააღმდეგ, ვინც ცდილობს შეარყოს ტრანსატლანტიკური თანამშრომლობა

დაიწყო ხომ? :დ ეხლა ამათ აღმოსავლეთ ჰევროპელები შეუერთდებიან ტექსტით - რად გვინდა არმია, ნატო ხომ გვყავს?! :დ

იმ არმიას ფული არ უნდა? :დ ჰოდა ვისაც პირველობა უნდა მაყუთსაც უნდა გამოვიდეს:დ იანკებივით. ეხლა ვნახავთ რას იტყვიან ამ საკითხზე მეღვინეები სენ ემილიონიდან:დ

[Moor]

1 საათის წინ, KOMBLE said:

"ნებისმიერი მცდელობა შეასუსტოს კავშირი ჩრდილოეთ ამერიკასა და ევროპას შორის, არა მხოლოდ დაასუსტებს ნატოს, არამედ გაყოფს ევროპას

 

სულ მაგას ვამბობდი 

[KOMBLE]

1 საათის წინ, Seth said:

ეხლა ვნახავთ რას იტყვიან ამ საკითხზე მეღვინეები სენ ემილიონიდან:დ

ასევე რას იტყვის  დღეს გერმანიის არჩევნები. იტყვიან ხოლმე კონტრელიტა სანდო არააო. რადიკალური ცვლილება ნაკლებად მგონია მაგრამ მაინც...

 

Edited 26 სექტემბერი, 2021 by KOMBLE

[Deutschland]

გერმანიის ერთერთმა მთავარმა გაზეთმა welt-მა ეს სტატია გამოაქვეყნა გუშინ.

On the way to the United States of Europe?

Anyone who, as a citizen, has the right to find out from a future government what the Federal Republic of Germany should look like in the somewhat distant future will be disappointed at the end of the election campaign.  Above all, this concerns one crucial question: whether the German state should still exist in 2050 or in 2100.

What do the Chancellor candidates and their parties say about it?  Even politically interested voters know after the election campaign weeks that the SPD wants to increase the minimum wage, the CDU / CSU does not want to increase the income tax, the Greens want a faster CO2 reduction and the Liberals less regulation.

 The average voter also knows that none of them want to decide to have a compulsory vaccination against the corona virus.

 The extent to which the candidates want to work towards ensuring that the Federal Republic of Germany will still exist in decades, however, was not the subject of the dispute.

Green for Federal European Republic

The “fixed star” of the Greens “for the further development of the European Union is the Federal European Republic”, it says in their party program.  Chancellor candidate Annalena Baerbock explained to the “Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung” in 2019 what this European Republic should achieve: “It also takes care of social protection, internal security, defense”.

 Then "the EU Parliament is the central place for all European decisions, it actually proposes laws".  Only what could be better regulated nationally or in cities and villages should be democratically clarified in these places.

SPD: „Olaf Scholz“

And what does Olaf Scholz, the SPD man who, in surveys, have been holding for the last few weeks as the best Federal Chancellor, is what Olaf Scholz wants?  In the election campaign he often speaks of a “sovereign Europe” that he wants to bring about, but does not explicitly say whether he means a sovereign state in which the historically grown states are to become federal states, so to speak.

Scholz made a clear statement about his circumstances in May of last year to “Die Zeit”: When asked whether he had the “United States of Europe” in mind, he replied: “The SPD has been advocating it since 1925.” However, he did  less “about such terminology”, but the Corona crisis could provide an impulse “that Europe is growing closer together”.

 The former SPD candidate for chancellor, Martin Schulz, was clearer. At a party congress in 2017, he called for the EU to be transformed into the "United States of Europe with a joint constitutional treaty" by 2025.  Those states that rejected this federal EU constitution would have to resign automatically, he said in front of 600 delegates.

CDU: "Strong Germany in a strong Europe"

The CDU / CSU, which has gathered behind Chancellor candidate Armin Laschet, is a little more conservative and conservative on this central question of the continued existence of the Federal Republic than the parties of the left-wing spectrum.  In its election program - which it always confidently calls the “government program” - the Union calls for a “strong Germany in a strong Europe”.

 This is an indication that they basically want to keep the Federal Republic there.  What that means, however, is only stated in the important area of budgetary policy.  Here the Union wants to adhere to the principle that every state is liable for its own debts.

 Debt borrowing by the EU institutions, also advocated by the CDU / CSU during the Corona crisis, in order to promote economically weak states, should not be “an entry into the debt union”.  Apart from budgetary policy, the Union calls for “more Europe” and more “powers”, that is, sovereignty for the institutions of the EU, such as “common European armed forces” and majority decisions in security and foreign policy.

That would give the EU more capacity to act.  However, decisions would then also be possible for which there is no majority in Germany or in its representative body, the Bundestag.

 The FDP, however, agrees with the Union that joint borrowing should remain a one-off crisis measure.  The Liberals are also against taxes levied by EU institutions, which are currently being discussed, in order to repay the debts accumulated for the Corona fund.

 In their election manifesto, however, the Liberals also speak out in favor of a “European Union as a federal state”.  In a “European referendum”, the citizens should “decide and thus create the basis for a federal and decentralized European federal state”.

This path is described by the FDP as a “counter-model to the relapse of Europe into small nation states on the one hand or the creation of a centralized European superstate on the other”.  The liberals obviously also want the Federal Republic to be absorbed into a new state as long as it is not heavily centralized, like France, for example.  Rather, it should be written in a decentralized manner, like the German federal state.

 All of this is so relevant and interesting that it would have been worthy of a confrontation between top candidates.

 

Edited 26 სექტემბერი, 2021 by Deutschland

[Seth]

2 საათის წინ, KOMBLE said:

ასევე რას იტყვის  დღეს გერმანიის არჩევნები. იტყვიან ხოლმე კონტრელიტა სანდო არააო. რადიკალური ცვლილება ნაკლებად მგონია მაგრამ მაინც...

 

რა თქმა უნდა ფრიცები უმნიშვნელოვანესია. 

მიუხედავად ამისა მე რთულად წარმომიდგენია რას უზამენ ჩრდ. და აღმ. ევროპას. ან ნატოს. თუ ნატოსთანაც უნდა დარჩნენ გამოდის რომ ბიუჯეტიდან უნდა იხადონ 2 + 2 % მინიმუმ , არა? და ეს უნდა მიყიდონ ვიკინგებს და შლიახტას?

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2 minutes წინ, Seth said:

თუ ნატოსთანაც უნდა დარჩნენ გამოდის რომ ბიუჯეტიდან უნდა იხადონ 2 + 2 % მინიმუმ , არა?

ეს ძაან საინტერესო საკითხია.

საკითხი ალბათ ასე დადგება, ან ეუ არმია ან ნატო, ერთის არჩევა მოუწევთ იმჰო